7 thoughts on “Can a Practicing Christian be a Practicing Homosexual??”

  • mcdav2154

    Hey Toby,

    As always you do a great job! I’ve been listening to all the podcasts for three months now and have not only been educated, but encouraged by your work. Thank you!

    I do want to make a comment on the above question that I think so many Christians get wrong and would like to see if you agree.

    I think that homosexuality is looked at, by Christians, as some sort of “ultimate” sin, therefore homosexuals are outcasts in churches. Isn’t it biblical to see homosexuality as the same as any other sin (i.e. alcoholism, cursing)? If you see a brother in Christ sin, of course you lovingly and biblically correct him but I’m not sure if I’d cut all ties with him.

    I understand distancing yourself from the person’s sinful act and not condone it by letting that person stay in a place of leadership in the church, but to cut all ties with someone for a sin seems unloving. (This is being said with the understanding that if a person causes you to fall because of thier sin, of course you’d cut ties with them)

    What I guess I’m trying to say is that homosexuality is no different of a sin than anything else, therefore we should treat it the same as any other sin.

    I like to think that one day, if God blesses me with a church to run, I’d accept all sinners and turn nobody from the chance to hear God’s Word again and again.

    Thank you again for all you do and I can’t wait for a response!

    Mike

  • admin

    Hey Mike,
    Thanks for taking the time to leave a comment on your thoughts. I genuinely appreciate the time and effort on your behalf!
    I agree that we should be recognized by our love for one another. I think that where we disagree is how to best demonstrate that love. Cutting off ties with a brother or sister in Christ who sins is actually very Biblical. As I mentioned in the podcast, Paul instructed the church in Corinth to do just that, and Jesus taught us to do the same thing with a brother or sister who refuses to turn from their sin…
    “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. But if he does not listen {to you,} take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector” (Matthew 18:15-17). What I gather from this passage is that, according to Jesus Himself, the most loving thing we can do is practice tough love when a person who is caught in a lifestyle of sin leaves us with no other options.
    As for whether all sins are equal, Scripture is clear that they are not, although they are all detestable to God. This is demonstrated not only by the fact that some sins are referred to as abominations, whereas others are not, but also because of what Jesus said when He was being tried by Pontius Pilate, which was, “the one who turned Me over to you is guilty of a greater sin.”
    God bless you, brother, and thank you for posting!
    Toby

  • mcdav2154

    Good response Toby,

    I also considered Matthew 18 while I was writing you and then the definition of love came to mind in 1 Cor. 13. Please know that I really do understand tough love and it’s purpose, especially since we see God’s tough love to us all throughout the Bible. I also was on the receiving end of tough love from my parents which eventually turned me from rebellion to righteousness but they never cut me off completely.

    Now, back to Matthew 18. If this scripture is followed exactly we give everyone a 3 strike rule and they’re done until they decide to change. Do you think this is set in stone? I guess I kind of struggle with this since love is patient and kind but yet we can’t delight in evil (which I’m not condoning) and of course love protects therefore we must protect our brothers from sin.

    Cutting somebody off completely seems harsh to me since by definition you don’t associate with that person anymore. I would say, you distance yourself from the person for a season but still show open arms to them as Christ does to us in our sin.

    I will study this issue more in depth since I clearly don’t have all the answers. Also, do you have scripture where I can study the degrees of sin?

    One more thing. Do you have a personal e-mail I can talk to you on. I know you’re starting a new church soon and would like to talk to you about it.

    Thanks,

    Mike

  • admin

    Mike,

    I understand your discomfort with cutting someone off completely. To be honest, I’m not comfortable with it at all, either. I do know this, though – whenever I have gone by the model of church disciple as outlined in Matt. 18, it has worked every time, and harmony has been restored.
    I think that there is a good reason that this is the formula that Jesus gave us, and I don’t think it’s supposed to be easy. The thing is, if someone refuses to turn away from their sinful lifestyle, we have to ask how they might be influencing us, those around us, our children, or new believers. As I was mowing the yard today, I was thinking to myself, “man, I hope I never have to get all the way to the end of that formula with anyone in the church I’ll be planting!” And then I got to thinking…have you ever watched the TV show, Intervention? The intervention counselors always tell the family that if a person won’t be reformed (from whatever their addiction is), the family has to sever ties…because to do so is the last effective option for helping an addict who refuses to straighten up. That’s some seriously tough love, but it’s the same basic formula that Jesus gave His disciples. So really, what we’re doing is an intervention with a Christian who is addicted to some sin. I don’t like it…I’m very uncomfortable with it…I hope I never have to do it…but I am Christ’s bond-servant, and will follow Him up the steepest grade and the narrowest of paths.

    Verses that refer specifically to there being degrees of sin: Matthew 12:32, 22:38, 23:23; John 19:11; 1 Cor. 11:29-30; 1 John 5:16; Rev. 20:12

    My personal email is Cleanslate.Ministries@hotmail.com…I look forward to hearing from you and talking about the church plant 🙂

    For His glory,
    Toby

  • mcdav2154

    Due to our discussion, I now have to do a study on the degrees of sin (thanks Toby, haha). I’ve always been taught that sin is sin and God hates all sin therefore all sin is created equal by God. I do think that “logically” murder is worse than stealing a pack of gum but with that being said; do we truly know how much God hates all sin? We can’t leave it up to our logic since one person’s opinion of “logic” is most likely different from God’s infinite truth. The tricky part for me is to leave all preconceived ideas out of my mind before I study otherwise I’ll try to justify what I already believe without reading the scripture.

    Thanks for a starting point with the scriptures. I don’t know what plans you have for future podcasts but maybe something on the degrees of sin or even how to properly study the Bible. I know I didn’t know how to study the Bible until I took a college course on it and from a general consencus in my neck of the woods it seems that most have the same problem.

    Thanks,

    Mike

  • ace

    haha, thanks for the great shoutout. i wasn’t aware you called me out on something time and time again; i clearly failed to obsess over these blog comments enough.

    it’s moot, though, because it’s not something i’m interested in arguing or discussing with you.

    this mini-series of yours has been a blast. i’ve been sharing it with all my friends. thanks for all the good times and keep up the good work.

  • admin

    Hey Ace,

    I’m still waiting for a legitimate line of reasoning/argumentation from you. And while I know that you don’t have one…aren’t you at least going to try? 😉 hehe
    It’s all good, bro…seek the truth and you’ll find it on the narrow path.

    Toby

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